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# Documents Index
- Official documents, records and certificates relevant to the family history. Items marked **held** are known to exist in the family collection (per the history spreadsheet); most have not yet been digitised into this wiki.
+ Documents, records, certificates and interviews relevant to the family history. Items marked **held** are known to exist in the family collection (per the history spreadsheet); most have not yet been digitised into this wiki.
## Digitised in this wiki
- [Death Certificate: Catherine Gunn MacLeod (1950)](/documents/catherine-gunn-death-certificate-1950) — scan available
- [John Foggo Whillas — Voyage Diary (1868)](/documents/john-foggo-whillas-voyage-diary) — original held by Janet Wilkin (not yet scanned)
+ ## Interviews
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean (2026)](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026) — interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026; recollections of the Whillas family, places, and events.
+
## Records known to be held (not yet digitised)
- Birth certificate — [Norman MacLeod](/people/norman-macleod-b1880) (Barvas, 1880)
+ - Birth certificate — [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) (Maylands, 1947)
- Birth-certificate extract — [Catherine Gunn](/people/catherine-gunn-macleod-b1873) (Barvas, 1873)
- Birth certificate — [Catherine (Cath) McLeod](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920) (Glasgow, 1921)
- Birth certificate — [Frances Louise (Fran) Whillas](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915) (Woodville, 1915)
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## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), all sheets.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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+ # Interview with Teena McLean (2026)
+
+ ## Record
+
+ - **Interviewee:** [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947), known as Teena McLean
+ - **Interviewer:** Erika Whillas
+ - **Interview date:** 16 August 2026
+ - **Format:** Interview transcript, with time codes removed
+ - **Source:** Supplied transcript, archived unchanged in `source/_ingested/` after ingestion. The wiki copy uses the corrected spelling **Teena** for the interviewee.
+
+ This interview covers Teena's childhood in [Bray/Robe](/places/bray-robe-south-australia), [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria), and [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria); her parents [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) and [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920); siblings [Robert](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944), [Richard](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945), [Andrew](/people/andrew-john-whillas-b1949), and [Janet](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951); travel in Japan, Hong Kong, and the Philippines; her marriage to John in [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria); and the couple's newsagency in [Alstonville](/places/alstonville-new-south-wales). She also shares recollections of her aunt [Fran](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915).
+
+ ## Selected excerpts
+
+ > “Dad wanted to be a farmer.”
+ >
+ > — Teena recalling her father, [Dick Whillas](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920).
+
+ > “Mum became a wool classer's cook as well, so she could earn some money.”
+ >
+ > — Teena on [Cath Whillas](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920) during the family's time at Bray/Robe.
+
+ > “I travelled to Japan, Hong Kong and the Philippines.”
+ >
+ > — Teena on her trip as a young woman; the ship's name is unclear in the transcript.
+
+ > “We got married in September, 28th of September, 1968. In Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.”
+ >
+ > — Teena recalling her marriage to John; see the [marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968).
+
+ > “Until 2004, after 25 years, we sold.”
+ >
+ > — Teena on the Alstonville newsagency.
+
+ ## Full transcript
+
+ The transcript is reproduced below with the interviewee's name normalized to **Teena** in speaker labels and name references. The archived source file itself is preserved unchanged.
+
+ ```text
+ Erika Whillas
+ Interview with Teena McLean, 16th of August, 2026.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Alstonville.
+ All
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ right, Teena, let's start at the very beginning.
+ When and where were you born?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Marylands in Adelaide, 1928 to the 3rd, 1947.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And where was the family living at that point?
+
+ UNKNOWN
+ With, I
+
+ Teena McLean
+ think, with, no, Mum's father's family, I think. I'm not sure. Father's family. Yeah, yeah.
+ If you tell me the address. Stanley Street. Stanley Street,
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ that's it, yeah. 360, Stanley Street. And
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ do you know what hospital you were born in?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No. No.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And what's your first memory in life?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Probably visiting the aunties and grandparents, and all I can remember is everybody in black clothing.
+ But I would have only been a very, very little girl, probably. Two, two and a half. Because when we went to move down to Robe in South Australia, I was only four. I was only about three.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Okay. So had you gone to school at that point? No. It could have been,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Okay.
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ could have been Kath's mum's
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ funeral. Oh. And so when you were three, sorry, you moved to where?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No, I was about four and a half. There's a photo Richard's got of the, of us out the front at Robe. There's a photo of me and Andrew and Janet. Yeah.
+
+ UNKNOWN
+ Yeah.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Yeah. Yeah. Probably been four and a half. I started school in Robe.
+ We lived in, we lived in Bray.
+ Dad put, we had a Morris Minor truck, and Dad put, built a box, put on the back of it, put a door and a window in it, and it became the school bus. Oh, okay. And he picked up all the children because it was after the war, and there were appointments that lived down the road. They were a big family. They were a big family in a tent. We were in a tent while Dad was building our house, and he made sure he was a school bus, and he picked up all the kids and took them to Robe School every day.
+ Dad then, when he was in Adelaide, and he always wanted to be a farmer, his parents were book binders and publishers, Willis and Ormiston, and his father said, he said, you will not be a farmer, you'll be a bookkeeper. You will toe the line.
+ So when he got married, he had the right wife, the right family, the right house in Anguston with the right crystal and the linen and all of the above. And while he was working as a bookkeeper, and he worked for, he was the secretary of the Barossa Valley, the farmers union. He was tied up with the wine area. When he was studying, when he was working, he was also studying at night. He used to ride to work on a bike and ride back, and he was studying to be a wool classer.
+ So when he got his wool classing certificate,
+ he sold the house,
+ and they moved down, and we moved down the tent, and he built the house that Dick built in Robe. And while he was doing that, he was wool classing, and then mum became a wool classer's cook as well, so she could earn some money.
+ And we went to school on the bus,
+ and that's how they got enough money to start building the house that Dick built in Bray. And
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ what did you do? What do you remember about the house?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ It was very, very basic, very plain. It had fiberglass in it, which wasn't part of the scene now, but in those days it was built like that. Took a long time to build. He worked very, very hard to build it. And Wobba, that's, he came along, and he used to help too. Dad, what happened was he cleared, it was a virgin block. So he cleared it. As he slowly cleared it, it was a virgin block. So he cleared it.
+ He then got the land to build the house on that clearing.
+ And during this time, the fires came through South Australia, Black Friday, and mum grabbed us all and took us out in the fallow paddock. Dad had cleared this land with a wet mattress and had us underneath the wet mattress in the fallow paddock while the fires went through. How
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ close did the fires get to you?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I was petrified. Well, Dad was out as a fireman. He was on our truck, our Morris Motor truck. All the locals were out there with cans and everything else they could do to keep the fires away. And I'm petrified of fires because I can remember looking out from underneath the mattress and seeing these big balls of flames going over my head. And it was eucalyptus.
+ Pine trees, you know, they explode. And the wind was strong and they were blowing over the top of the fallow paddock. So I'm absolutely petrified of fires.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Did the house survive the fires? Yeah,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ yeah. The house survived.
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ What's the password? Can I go to your network? What's the password if I can? Can you give the password on there? Waffle?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I don't have one. I just go straight into it.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Okay.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Okay, don't have one.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ sorry. I
+ Fireballs, eucalyptus. Yeah. The house survived?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ The house survived and we went back to normal. I can't remember where Nan was then.
+ Uncle Joe was in...
+ There was Robe and Millicent, Millicent and Mount Gambier. Uncle Joe was in Millicent and Mount Gambier. Uncle Joe did a lot of... He restored grandfather clocks and that was his hobby in the background and he used to do... Restore them and then make sure the painting and the detailing on the front of them was okay. It was perfect. But I'm not sure where Nan was, whether she was...
+ She was there or in... I don't know.
+ In Mount Gambier. I don't know. I can't... In my mind, I've got no idea where she was. Uncle Joe married Cam. Cam was a nurse and it was the second time around so I'm not sure what happened there.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Was he living near you or at the house with you or where was he living? No, he
+
+ Teena McLean
+ wasn't living near us. He was either living in Millicent or Mount Gambier. Okay. And I think Nan might have been there going to school, but I don't know. I'm not sure.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And what school were you going to at that point? Went
+
+ Teena McLean
+ to Robe School. Robe
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ School. And how long were you in Robe for?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Until we left to come up to Cobden, to work to Cobden.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Do you remember how many... When that was?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Not exactly. No. What year of school were you I can remember being in the back of the... The Morris Manor. The Morris Manor and coming up with the furniture and our worldly belongings, but I don't know what year it was. Were
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ in?
+ you in primary school or high school? Primary school? Oh, God,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ no. I would have only been in primary school. I would have only been a little girl.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And so where... Then I went...
+
+ Teena McLean
+ When we went to Cobden, I started off at Tandarook South State School, which was about a mile and a half up the road. We used to walk. We'd go down through the creek over the little bridge. We'd walk down the road. We'd walk up the hill and to Tandarook, and then once we finished there, we went to Cobden.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Do you know why you moved? Why did the family move there? Because
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Dad wanted to be a farmer.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Okay. So that was after, though, because... So he was... He cleared the land and built the house. Yeah. But that...
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Then that... Well, it must have... There must... I don't know. There mustn't have been enough money or whatever, or there must have been an opportunity. So he just took us all, the whole lot of us, and we... We went and we bought land in Cobden. He wanted to be a farmer. So that's what he did. He... Was it
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ virgin land again?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No, no, no. It was an established farm, and we milked cows and went to school in Tandarook and from there on. But... Do you
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ have any memories of, like, playing there or any memories from that? Oh, God,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ yes. We used to play. The boys used to remember riding the horse, the old grey mare. Richard, remember the old grey mare? Yeah. And Robert, when Mum and Dad weren't home, we weren't allowed to do it, but we'd ride the old grey mare.
+ And I can remember him putting me on it once, because my brothers, I used to be the nuisance, you know. And I used to yell out, if you don't let me play with you, I'll tell on you, you know. And I'd run after them, and so Robert chucked me on the old grey mare and slapped it on the rump. It took off, and here I am. I was that frightened. I grabbed a branch of a tree, and I was hanging from a branch of a tree, and the horse kept going.
+ And then it took off and it went down the road from the house. There was a grate off the main highway, and the horse took off and got its hooves stuck in the grate. And so the boys had to milk the cow. And so Teena was left with a horse with its stuck hoof in the grate to meet Mum and Dad when they'd come home from, they only used to shop once a month. And they met, Dad, Mum met me at the gate, and I'm in tears, and I don't know how it got stuck there, tra la la.
+ So anyway, they milked the cows, and I diverted, and we got the horse out of the grate, so.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And what was school like there?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ School? School was lovely. School was, John Cootie was the teacher, and there was I think 26 to 30 of the whole school, one teacher for the whole lot, and he was a football player. And so in those days, teachers were held in high regard in the community, and if the teacher, you were friendly with the teacher, you'd, you'd really made it, you know, you were, you'd sort of. Anyway, we used to go and watch John Cootie play footy, the whole family'd go, you'd have a, you'd have a picnic rug, and you'd all sit round the, the oval watching the footy being played.
+ So it was always very communal, very, yeah.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And that was the town sport team, or who?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Well, that wasn't a town, um, Tanderook was just a little school sitting on, um, on a hillside. On the, on the side of the road, very, very humble, it seemed very big to me at the time, but I went back for the 50th anniversary and, uh, at Invergordon, and I was gobsmacked how small the school was, but when you're little, it seemed big.
+ But I, he was a good teacher because every day you had to, one member or another of the, of the teachers, of the students, had to get up. They had to give a, a, um, a morning speech, you know, who they were, what they'd done for the day and try and, and, um, I can remember having to stand up and do that too, but you taught, you were taught grammar, you were taught maths, you were taught all the very basics that got you onto, well educated enough to get onto, onto high school.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And so did, how long were you there for? Did you still go to high school in that area too?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No, we left and went to, um, Invergordon and then, um, I went, I went to Namurka and then I met John in, um, at the, um, at the high school. He went to Katunga and we went to Namurka and...
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ When did you, do you remember when you moved to Invergordon or why you moved?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Well, Dad wanted to be a farmer and he, and there was a better opportunity there. The other thing was that Invergordon had a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a. A. It was a little, it was a house that had a, Blackshores owned it before that, and it was a post office and a news agency. And it was a annex basically from the, from the town.
+ And so we moved there, because Mum had been a, um, a receptionist during the war and bringing in the data from the, from the, um, the war, and she was therefore skilled at, at, um, being a telephone telephonist and and so she taught me and then I learned counter -clock work as well and so I then started from there I saved up and I went with this elderly lady I told you about at Dunbulbo and went all over Victoria
+ doing telephonist work at night and those days you sent Morse code down the party lines because there were party lines so I could do Morse code and that was because mum during the war had learned to read Morse code coming in during the war and I could I could do the telephonist work so I did that all over Victoria and counter -clock work in the daytime.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And when did you start doing that? When did you leave Invergold? I
+
+ Teena McLean
+ don't know I'm not.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ So you and John left Invergordon together? No,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ no, no, no, no. John wasn't there then.
+ John wasn't. John and I married. We married in Shepparton.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ In Shepparton. So you moved to Invergordon but when did you start sort of travelling around and doing that work?
+ Was that not long after you moved to Invergordon? So you still kept...
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Invergordon, yeah, it was Invergordon. I was 17 and a half when I'd entered Norwich. I had enough money to take off on the P &O line ship called the Aramek and I travelled to Japan, Hong Kong and the Philippines and I did it, I think it was about a month and a half to two months.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And did you, so when did high school finish for you?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I did to year four, just I didn't do intermediate I got to intermediate but I was stuck to the the primary school and then I got a thing called ECO 9 or the flu and I thought I was going to die. They thought I had TB and so I, when I recovered from that I left school and that's when I started working with Mum and Dad.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And what got you motivated to travel?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Always wanted to travel
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ and it was
+
+ Teena McLean
+ unheard of in those days and when I think about it now, no, no mobile phone, no nothing and I, there wasn't a lot of money. I sailed into Hong Kong, thought I'd go into heaven. And the ship everywhere, I was very blessed. When I got on the Aramac, it was a float unbeknown to me, it was a floating university of Japanese students. And they had a teacher on board. And so Teena gets on there, she's got blonde hair down her back and they're just besotted by me.
+ And they want to speak English, right? I've got my little Japanese book, which I just saw out there before.
+ And so every port we pulled into down the coast of Japan, they took me up to meet their mum and dad and dined out and then put me back on the boat and then the next port the same thing all the way down. So I did Japan, Hong Kong and the Philippines. I went on the speed train, which was unheard of in those days.
+ And when it stopped, I got out and waded across a paddy field and sat with the ladies who were sowing rice. And then they took me up to their burials up in the mountains where they were sacred. They took me up there to show me where their burial areas were and put me back again.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Was the Philippines one of your favourite spots then on that trip?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No, I shot the rapids in Japan was my favourite spot. I shot the rapids in the Philippines and then came home.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And when you came home, was that when you met John?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ When I came home, no, I came home and I thought I had some money left
+ and I'd started... I thought, well, I'm going. I'm going to go and do something with my life. I'm not staying here for the rest of my life. So I took off and I had enough money to get into Stotts College.
+ And I was going to do a stenographer's course and then I was going to be a stenographer on a ship, sail the world, fall in love with a captain or a sailor or some damn thing and live happily ever after cruising the world. So I started at Stotts College and then I looked at... I looked at all the girls at Stotts College and they had Angora twin sets
+ and stiletto patent leather shoes and I looked at them all and I thought, not me.
+ And the other thing I remember was on the boat, they were even in those days, they were basically sending... They had earphones on and they were sending messages, not typing, you know.
+ And I thought, this is a waste of time. There's no future in this. And so I left and came home and that's when I got my car and started doing the deliveries again and working.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ With the family? Yeah. Yeah.
+ And that's in
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Begordan still? That was in Begordan still. And then I started school, went to Merkin Camberland High School and John and I and that was it. That's history. We got married.
+ In 68 and it was a family farm and John had travelled. He'd been a Rotary Exchange student in America for 12 months and he knew there was more to life than just being on the country farm, looking after the cows and everything else. And he had a brother seven years younger than him and Rowan. And Rowan couldn't be anything else, but... But a farmer. But John and I, both because we had a bit of fuel
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ in our tank, I think,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ decided that there was something better than that. So we'd saved up. Before this, the only vehicle we had was the farm mute. We saved up and we bought a Corolla.
+ And so we put our worldly belongings in a tin shed and we lived out of the Corolla. We went for... I came in the south up to Harvey Bay looking for a news agency because I had the skills to work a news agency. John and I had worked for the public all my life, but John had never worked for the public all his life.
+ So we... In those days, you had to go... If you wanted a news agency, you had to go in front of a board, a news agency board, and they picked your brains. Why do you want to buy? Why do you want to buy a news agency? Tra -la -la -la -la -la. So we told them the story and there was one of them,
+ the heads of the news agency council, who liked us. And we said to him, this is what we wanted. And so he kept in touch with us and then one day we were coming up the coast here. Actually, we were camping at Lennox Head, at the lake. And he rang and said, there's a whisper, that there's a place called Invergordon, a place called Alstonville. There's a news agency there and we said, where the hell's Alstonville?
+ He said, it's just up the hill.
+ So we drove up and I fell in love with Alstonville. We both did. But I fell in love with Alstonville because when I was 17, I used to play A grade tennis. It was across from Invergordon. There was an old school and there were tennis schools, there were tennis courts. And Nan and Johnny used to live in the old house there.
+ And so Dad was a tennis player when he was young because his family were well -to -do and they had tennis courts. So we cleared it and he taught us all how to play tennis. And I was playing A grade tennis when I was 17 and went all over that area playing tennis. And then when we came up here to Alstonville, one of the things I fell in love with was the old tennis courts in Alstonville.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Did you play when you moved here?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No, I played squash instead. I've got a stack of awards in there for squash. We both played squash. And anyway,
+ we weren't first on the list. There were two couples that were interested in buying it. And we were very blessed because
+ they had a lot of interest in buying it. They had a falling out. And so it went back on the market and we got it.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And that's the business you had for 25 years?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ That's it. But the thing was, when we left the farm, the money we had from there was all we had as a deposit for the news agency, for the real estate of it. But we had no money whatsoever. And we had to borrow money from the Westpac Bank. And until 2004, after 25 years,
+ we sold.
+ And that cheque sat on that coffee table there for three days. We didn't touch it. And we're running, walking around, looking at it and saying, we're free, we're free, we're free. We're not the sole subsidiary of Westpac Bank. And that's how it all went.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And when you, so you had the business here for 25 years, which I imagine having a news agent was very demanding.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Mm. And you got home in the dark and got home in the dark. Did
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ you ever get the opportunity to visit the Willises, wherever they moved during that time? Because they left Invergordon, I guess, to go, where'd they go after that, do you know? Where'd they leave after Invergordon?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I don't know. Where'd Mum and Dad go after Invergordon?
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ West.
+ That's where, went to Perth? Free, Fremantle. Oh, Fremantle.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Oh, that's right, yeah. Or Dad, yeah. Yeah, Dad was on the trucks then, though. He was driving the trucks. Mm And that's when he had his accident, and that's when they went to Fremantle. Yeah.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ -hmm.
+ Did you ever go visit Fremantle?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Afterwards, yeah, down the track we went.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Did you go on a road trip, or what did you do? Yeah,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ John and I went on a road trip. Oh, no, a train, train trip then. Mm, we did the train.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And what was that like? What was that trip like? Or what was the, do you remember how the family was, or how your dad was? Well, it was
+
+ Teena McLean
+ pretty tough. It was pretty tough then, yeah. It was pretty tough, yeah.
+ Well, Dad had died, and Mum went over there. Dad had passed away. He'd had the accident, and it was after that. But, you know, I went over there, and the boys, they all went over on the train. So it was a really tough time. But
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ your dad was still alive in Fremantle, though, right? Yes, he was still alive there. Yeah, Mm -hmm. Yeah.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ when you went to that.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ He I guess. Mm
+
+ UNKNOWN
+ was a very kind,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ -hmm. Mm -hmm.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And then did you visit them when they were, because they went to Sydney not long after that too, right?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Well, I went down for Dad's, I went down to see Dad. Yeah, he was very, very sick. I went down, John and I went down a couple of times. And then we went to the funeral.
+ And then Mum got sick, and we went down a few times. But we were flat out working. We were working seven days a week, morning till night. We couldn't, we didn't have enough money to get staff to relieve us. So we had to, I mean, we weren't paying ourselves. We were paying the staff, but we just survived. We had no money whatsoever. We had nothing in reserve. Mm -hmm. And then, yeah, we went down and saw Mum a few times.
+ She was at, she was living down with, who was she living with then? Craig, maybe? Craig, Craig, yeah, Craig. It was Craig and the house there. And we saw her, and she was very frail after that. She was good for a start. She was really well and happy. And she got lupus, of course, and yeah.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ But to circle back to a happy time, tell me how the, when you and John first met, how did he ask you out? How did that all go? How did? Well,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ it was my brother's fault. Oh, He'd got a corona for his birthday for Christmas. I'd come home from Scots College. He was home. Mum and Dad had bought him a corona for his, because he was the first Woolis who ever went to university. And, of course, my parents didn't have any money. And so the only way any of the family could get to university was through scholarships. And he was a smart -ass, so he got a scholarship.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ yeah?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ And then I flattered with Richard in Melbourne too. And that's when I was going to Scots College and working as a, yeah, anyway.
+ And so I came home, and Richard wanted to take his car over to show John because John had been in America for 12 months. Come home. But when he went to America for that 12 months, he went to a rural area, a place called Wiggins, where there was farming and everything else. So he wasn't in the city playing the city boy. He was working with people on the land. So when he came back, he left school, and his mum and dad had a commission block in those days,
+ Invergordon and Katunga, and the Merc is in the middle. They were both commission areas. That was the return servicemen from the war were allocated a block. And all it had on it was an army shed. That was it. That was nothing else. Just this block of dirt with an army shed on it, right? And that was their allocation. That was their gift for being return servicemen, and this was their start in life.
+ Well, they thought they'd gone to heaven, because they had land, and they had somewhere, and they had to survive. And so John's parents, they got an orchard,
+ which they had to establish, and a dairy farm.
+ So Katunga, this side of America, and Invergordon, this side. I'm delivering papers and everything. This side, right?
+ So anyway, we go to school. And Richard's birthday is the 24th, and he'd gone up to show Johnny's car. I wanted to go, because all I wanted to do was a ride in the car. I wasn't interested in visiting John's farm or John or anything else. I wanted just a ride in this brand -new car, because it was, like, unreal.
+ And so I went up, and I got out, and John came out, and Richard and him got in the car, and they're doing drifts and drives and stops and starts, and I'm walking around the dairy and checking things out. Anyway, we left and came home, and Richard had invited John to come to his 21st birthday party at home, because in those days, you had it at home, so it was at Invergordon.
+ So he come. He... John came over, and everybody partied, but I'd had a boyfriend before I went off on the Aramec on to do my tour, and he was... Donnie Olsham was his name. He was in charge of the little supermarket in Namurka. He was, like, what you'd call a bad smell. I couldn't get rid of him. So when I went off on the cruise, I thought, thank God for that. Anyway, I came home from...
+ Melbourne from Swats College for Richard's birthday celebrations and Christmas at home. I arrive, and there's Donnie Olsham's vehicle there, and I said to Mum, who invited him here? She said, I did. I said, well, you can entertain him, because I'm not. So then I walked in and made a beeline for John, and we danced and partied and enjoyed the night. And he headed home with Roger Corliss, wasn't it?
+ Roger Corliss, yeah. And they had an accident on the way home. I think they may have consumed too much alcohol. And went through a channel bridge, and anyway, he didn't appear on New Year's Day, and I didn't know why, but that was why.
+ But in March that year, when you were going to get married.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Oh, oh. And you got married soon after?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Yeah, got married in September, 28th of September, 1968. In Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Beautiful.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ His mum didn't like me at all. I wasn't good enough. I was from a big family.
+ There was a girl in Namurka who was more suited, had the right name, the right family, the whole lot. So I didn't really start off on the best of footings.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Why was it frowned upon to be from a big family?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Oh, well, we didn't have any money. And I was, in those days too, there was a big thing about religion in those days. So you were assumed to be Catholic, whether you were or not was immaterial. And when I took off to go on my trip, my cruise, the locals were so small -minded that they used to put a cross on the calendar, you know, for when you left and when you got home, and they were sure I was going to come back with either a slitty eye or I was going to be pregnant.
+ I mean, that was the mentality in those days. I mean, it sounds ridiculous now, but in those days it was. And because I'd been popular
+ and I'd won Miss Showgirls and all sorts of things, I was the girl most likely. And so they had me targeted. So I proved them different. I'd just proved them wrong. And I guess they'd probably done that all my life. But Mum and I were good. We were probably more like mother and daughter because I helped bring up the last four or five of them with her.
+ And I'm not sorry I left school. I've never regretted it. I'm not clever like the rest of them, but I've never wanted for anything. And I've always done what I wanted to do. And Dad, when I was saving to go, when I left school to help Mum, and when I got sick with the Echo 9 after that, I thought I'd go back and see if I'd get me intermediate. So there was a job. There was Ardmona and SBC canneries in that area.
+ There was Ardmona and Shepparton.
+ And so I put my hair back up in a French roll again.
+ And Dad had taught me to draw. And so I drove down the Angle Road, parked the Morris Miner there, got with the ladies, went into SBC and Ardmona and sorted pairs at night. And I saved up and got enough money for my textbooks
+ to go and do some more study. Yeah,
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ fantastic. And Dad, did you have some questions you wanted to ask about Fran and such things? What were some questions? Any questions that you thought Teena could shed light on?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Well, actually, I think the idea might be I've got paperwork somewhere that I'll find. I think I might have sent you the notes, but I took all these notes. Well, that's about all I've got. I don't have any more than that.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ All right. Well, do you know what
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ she did?
+ Can you just quickly go through what you know of her life? About
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Fran? Yeah. Yes, what do you know about Fran?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Well, I don't... What do you know about
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ Dad driving her across to Melbourne or Sydney in that Essex Super 6? Do you know anything about that? Well,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I've showed you the photo of Dad getting his new car. You know, they'd bought him and they drove across in that. I don't know much of what happened when they did it, but I can remember she was overjoyed. She was absolutely terrified of driving and terrified of flying and she was terrified of heights. She did very little in that way. She wasn't... She wasn't popular because, as I said, she'd fallen in love.
+ She worked for the...
+ COR. It was a... Yeah, but, yeah, she worked for COR, but she also, during the war, she worked for a mob called the Friendship Club and they were the ones that catered for all the servicemen when they came back in between. So she used to go and do...
+ catering and serving and helping to support them when they came back at stages during the war. And this is where she met this Townsend guy. But prior to that, she used to... She worked for the CSIRO and she was a ledger keeper and she used to catch the train every morning and the family behind them,
+ the guy that was there, he used to catch the train. Well, that was Uncle Reg.
+ And that's how they met up. Oh,
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ OK. How come Uncle Joe wouldn't go to a meeting or something?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Oh, yeah, he didn't approve of... Well, he was the black sheep because he'd got involved with CAM, you know, and so he was tut -tut, no -no talking, no nothing. There was, yeah, no socialising whatsoever there. That was unheard of.
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ OK, there's a photograph of Sam. He was training the nurses, you know, for... Well,
+
+ Teena McLean
+ that was the Friendship Club. That was that mob that did the... It wasn't called the Friendship Club. It was called something else. But they, yeah, they were wonderful. They supported the servicemen. She didn't have the training, but they cared for them. They supported them. You know, if they had broken limbs, they fed them. They did everything they possibly could to help them. And I think what the name of them was are in those notes.
+ But she... A lot of the women who... See, my Aunty Fran was from a well -to -do family, and a lot of those women were sort of not really involved in the war. You know, it was happening, but it wasn't. But then, when things got really serious, they all got... They were all asked to come and assist in this group to help the returned servicemen, and that's what she did. Yeah, yeah. So I think
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ about these two little girls who died, they were between Fran and... There was two little girl twins that died. One died after a couple of days, and one died after two years.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Don't know anything about them whatsoever. She never mentioned them. I don't... I thought they must have been some of our family. I thought they were us, you know, some of us. I didn't really think it was... No, no, no.
+ ..legitimate, were
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ they? No, no, no, they were after... They were...
+ I mean, they'd been married for 20 years or something. But that's why there's a big gap. There's a gap of five years between Jack and Fran, and ten years between Fran and Dick, and the two girls were in the middle. Yeah. And they died.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Yeah, no, I don't know what... That's
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ really dramatic for their mother.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I don't know. I don't know what the story was there, but...
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ It's
+
+ Teena McLean
+ a bit like Mum, you know. She was always told, she was born on a... Stornowar on the Isle of Lewis and all this stuff. I mean, when you get back to the nitty -gritties, it's not quite like that at all, but that was the story she used to tell, you know. Where
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ did... What turned out to be the case, though?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Glasgow.
+ Well, she was born up in the...
+ Sticks, right up in the Sticks. I went up there. No, no,
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ she was born in Glasgow. Glasgow. And the house... The house, the
+
+ Teena McLean
+ little house, and then some of the family. I wonder if those little girls are tied up with that. Some of the family, they went to America, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, and there's a mob of them over in America. Yeah. Yeah. And Kath used to come up here.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ And do you know much about Nana's early life, Kath's early life? No.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ No.
+ Mm.
+ Mm.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ All right. Well, maybe...
+
+ Teena McLean
+ It was a bit wobbly, you know. A lot of it didn't sort of... Like Mum and Dad being together and all the... A lot of it until you left. And then later on in life, you work out sort of it wasn't quite... Didn't quite fit the bill like it was supposed to, if you get my drift, you know? Mm.
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ It was a big thing.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ Oh, God, yes. It
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ was a big thing in those days. Kath had a baby when she was 17. Yeah. And it was... Mm.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ It was just... Not very... Not
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ very proper now, but it was... It was
+
+ Teena McLean
+ unmentionable. It was totally unmentionable. Yeah.
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ And it was really great. It's fantastic that Kath's dad looked after him. Yeah. Yeah. And looked after him. It was
+
+ Teena McLean
+ wonderful. Absolutely. And supported her, you know? Well, his
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ family... Just Warped him, yeah.
+
+ Teena McLean
+ warped him. Yeah. Warped the slate of him. Didn't do anything to do with him.
+ And, yeah, no, it was... But Uncle Joe was the black sheep. He was the... He was the...
+ Always the troublemaker. Always the trouble, you know? So every family has him, so...
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ What's an example of his black sheep -ery?
+
+ Teena McLean
+ I'm not sure. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. There was a family photo, and he had a girlfriend that didn't fit the mould, you know? And you could see they were trying to not get her in the picture, and he was making sure she was in the picture. I mean, that was the mentality in those days. I mean, it's a joke now, but in those days it was, yeah, not quite right.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ Different world. All right, well, that's
+
+ SPEAKER_02
+ a pretty good chunk. Thank you, Teena. Transcribe that, and then we'll see. You have
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ to
+
+ Teena McLean
+ transcribe it. I know you will.
+
+ Erika Whillas
+ We'll do that. Bye.
+ ```
+
+ ## Related pages
+
+ - [Teena's life and family](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947)
+ - [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) · [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920) · [Fran](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915)
+ - Siblings mentioned: [Robert](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944) · [Richard](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945) · [Andrew](/people/andrew-john-whillas-b1949) · [Janet](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951)
+ - [Marriage to John McLean (1968)](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968)
+ - [Hopetoun truck accident (1970)](/events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970)
+ - [Open questions raised by this interview](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions)
events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970.md ..
@@ 13,6 13,10 @@
After the accident Dick could no longer do heavy work or drive trucks, and was bankrupted. The [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria) Post Office was sold and the family (from Norman down) moved to 27 Malcolm Street, [East Fremantle](/places/east-fremantle-western-australia), Perth, beginning a new chapter for the family in WA.
+ ## Family recollection
+
+ Dick's daughter [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled that “that's when they went to Fremantle,” connecting the accident with the family's move west. See [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
## Related pages
- Timeline: [1970s](/timeline/1970s)
@@ 20,3 24,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1970s* sheet.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
/dev/null .. events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968.md
@@ 0,0 1,19 @@
+ # Marriage: Teena Whillas & John McLean (1968)
+
+ ## Summary
+
+ - **Date:** 28 September 1968
+ - **Place:** Presbyterian Church, [Shepparton, Victoria](/places/shepparton-victoria)
+ - **Couple:** [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and John McLean
+
+ Teena recalled: “We got married in September, 28th of September, 1968. In Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.” See the full source record and further excerpts in the [interview with Teena](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
+ ## Related pages
+
+ - [Teena's life and family](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947)
+ - [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria)
+ - Timeline: [1960s](/timeline/1960s)
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
family-tree.md ..
@@ 61,7 61,7 @@
1. [Catherine Normandy "Nan"](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939) (b. 1939)
2. [Robert Alexander](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944) (b. 1944)
3. [Richard Johnstone](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945) (b. 1945) + Irine
- 4. [Christine Frances "Teena"](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) (b. 1947)
+ 4. [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas (Teena McLean)](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) (b. 1947) — married [John McLean in 1968](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968)
5. [Andrew John](/people/andrew-john-whillas-b1949) (b. 1949)
6. [Janet Barbara](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951) (b. 1951)
7. [Norman Vincent](/people/norman-vincent-whillas-b1952) (b. 1952)
home.md ..
@@ 18,7 18,7 @@
- 🌳 **[Family Tree](/family-tree)** — the Whillas & McLeod lines at a glance
- 👥 **[People](/index#people)** — individual pages for every family member
- - 🗓️ **[Timeline](/timeline/1860s)** — the family history decade by decade, [1860s](/timeline/1860s)–[1970s](/timeline/1970s)
+ - 🗓️ **[Timeline](/timeline/1860s)** — the family history decade by decade, from the [1860s](/timeline/1860s) through the [2000s](/timeline/2000s)
- 📍 **[Places](/index#places)** — from [Barvas](/places/barvas-isle-of-lewis) and [Glasgow](/places/glasgow-scotland) to the SA lighthouses and beyond
- 🎗️ **[Events](/index#events)** — marriages, migrations, [Norman's WW1 service](/events/norman-macleod-ww1-service)
- 📄 **[Documents](/documents/index)** · 📷 **[Photos](/photos/index)**
@@ 29,4 29,5 @@
*(5 most recent — see the [full log](/log) for details)*
+ - **[2026-09-30]** ingest — [Interview with Teena McLean](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026): person timeline and family recollections, 1968 marriage, 2004 newsagency sale, related people and place pages.
- **[2026-08-02]** ingest — Whillas–McLeod history spreadsheet (Rev 4): the full **1860s–1970s** timeline plus 39 people, 19 places, 9 events and documents.
index.md ..
@@ 41,7 41,7 @@
- [Catherine Normandy "Nan"](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939) (1939) ·
[Robert Alexander](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944) (1944) ·
[Richard Johnstone](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945) (1945) ·
- [Christine Frances "Teena"](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) (1947) ·
+ [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas (Teena McLean)](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) (1947) ·
[Andrew John](/people/andrew-john-whillas-b1949) (1949) ·
[Janet Barbara](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951) (1951) ·
[Norman Vincent](/people/norman-vincent-whillas-b1952) (1952) ·
@@ 58,7 58,8 @@
- **Scotland/Ireland:** [Barvas, Isle of Lewis](/places/barvas-isle-of-lewis) · [Edinburgh](/places/edinburgh-scotland) · [Glasgow](/places/glasgow-scotland) · [Belleek, Ireland](/places/belleek-northern-ireland)
- **South Australia:** [Adelaide](/places/adelaide-south-australia) · [Millicent](/places/millicent-south-australia) · [Kingston](/places/kingston-south-australia) · [Angaston](/places/angaston-south-australia) · [Bray/Robe](/places/bray-robe-south-australia) · [Renmark](/places/renmark-south-australia)
- **SA lighthouses:** [Cape Jaffa](/places/cape-jaffa-lighthouse) · [Neptune Island](/places/neptune-island-lighthouse) · [Cape Northumberland](/places/cape-northumberland-lighthouse) · [Cape du Couedic](/places/cape-du-couedic-lighthouse)
- - **Victoria:** [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) · [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) · [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria)
+ - **Victoria:** [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) · [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria) · [Tandarook South](/places/tandarook-south-victoria) · [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) · [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria) · [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria)
+ - **New South Wales:** [Alstonville](/places/alstonville-new-south-wales)
- **Western Australia:** [East Fremantle](/places/east-fremantle-western-australia) · [Geraldton](/places/geraldton-western-australia)
## Events
@@ 71,6 72,7 @@
- [Immigration: Cath & mother on the *Orvieto* (1927)](/events/immigration-catherine-mcleod-orvieto-1927)
- [Marriage: Dick Whillas & Cath McLeod (1943)](/events/marriage-richard-whillas-to-catherine-mcleod-1943)
- [Marriage: Fran Whillas & Reg Hall (1953)](/events/marriage-frances-whillas-to-reg-hall-1953)
+ - [Marriage: Teena Whillas & John McLean (1968)](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968)
- [Hopetoun Truck Accident (1970)](/events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970)
## Documents
@@ 78,10 80,11 @@
- [Documents index](/documents/index)
- [Death Certificate: Catherine Gunn MacLeod (1950)](/documents/catherine-gunn-death-certificate-1950)
- [John Foggo Whillas — Voyage Diary (1868)](/documents/john-foggo-whillas-voyage-diary)
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean (2026)](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026)
## Timeline (by decade)
- [1860s](/timeline/1860s) · [1870s](/timeline/1870s) · [1880s](/timeline/1880s) · [1890s](/timeline/1890s) · [1900s](/timeline/1900s) · [1910s](/timeline/1910s) · [1920s](/timeline/1920s) · [1930s](/timeline/1930s) · [1940s](/timeline/1940s) · [1950s](/timeline/1950s) · [1960s](/timeline/1960s) · [1970s](/timeline/1970s)
+ [1860s](/timeline/1860s) · [1870s](/timeline/1870s) · [1880s](/timeline/1880s) · [1890s](/timeline/1890s) · [1900s](/timeline/1900s) · [1910s](/timeline/1910s) · [1920s](/timeline/1920s) · [1930s](/timeline/1930s) · [1940s](/timeline/1940s) · [1950s](/timeline/1950s) · [1960s](/timeline/1960s) · [1970s](/timeline/1970s) · [2000s](/timeline/2000s)
## Other
log.md ..
@@ 27,3 27,9 @@
- Created [open-questions.md](/open-questions), collating every unresolved question/gap flagged in the source (family moves, [Norman's](/people/norman-macleod-b1880) records, missing certificates, unidentified relatives, etc.), each linked to its relevant page. Linked from [home](/home) and the [index](/index).
- Updated `CLAUDE.md` to document the **by-decade** timeline convention (`timeline/1960s.md`) in place of the original per-year example, with a note that year pages can be split out as coverage grows.
+
+ ## [2026-09-30] ingest | Interview with Teena McLean (16 Aug 2026)
+
+ Ingested the oral-history interview conducted by Erika Whillas. Added a high-level life timeline and cited recollections to [Teena's page](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947), created the [interview source page](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026) and [1968 marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968), and linked interview quotations from pages for [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920), [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920), [Fran](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915), and [Robert](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944), plus the [1970 accident](/events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970).
+
+ Added place pages for [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria), [Tandarook South](/places/tandarook-south-victoria), [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria), and [Alstonville](/places/alstonville-new-south-wales); added the 1968 marriage to the [1960s timeline](/timeline/1960s) and the 2004 newsagency sale to the [2000s timeline](/timeline/2000s). Updated the [index](/index), [documents index](/documents/index), [home](/home), and [open questions](/open-questions) with conflicts or unresolved details from the interview. The supplied transcript was moved unchanged to `source/_ingested/`.
open-questions.md ..
@@ 1,6 1,6 @@
# Open Questions
- Unresolved questions, gaps and uncertainties carried over from the source material (the Whillas–McLeod history spreadsheet, Rev 4). This page is a to-do list for future research — as questions are answered, update the relevant page and remove the item here (noting the resolution in the [log](/log)).
+ Unresolved questions, gaps and uncertainties carried over from the Whillas–McLeod history spreadsheet (Rev 4) and family interviews. This page is a to-do list for future research — as questions are answered, update the relevant page and remove the item here (noting the resolution in the [log](/log)).
## Dates of family moves & residences
@@ 42,6 42,17 @@
- **Why did C & D drive ~400 km from [Bray](/places/bray-robe-south-australia) to Adelaide on bad roads in a small Morris truck when [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920) was nine months pregnant with [Janet](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951)?** (A question posed by the family historian.)
+ ## Teena birth, residence, and chronology questions
+
+ - **What is the correct birth wording in Teena's interview?** The transcript reads, “Marylands in Adelaide, 1928 to the 3rd, 1947,” while her birth certificate and the [1940s timeline](/timeline/1940s) record 28 March 1947 in Maylands, Adelaide. The transcript may have misheard “28th of the 3rd.” Check the audio before changing the established date. See [Teena's page](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and [interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - **How do the childhood references to Cobden and South Purrumbete fit together?** Teena recalls the family moving to Cobden and attending Tandarook South School; the existing family history places Dick and Cath's dairy farm at [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria), around 1954. These may refer to the same district, but the location and move sequence need checking. See [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria), [Tandarook South](/places/tandarook-south-victoria), and [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - **Which ship did Teena take to Asia?** The transcript variously renders the name as “Aramek” and “Aramac”; verify it against the audio or travel records. See [Teena's page](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and [interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - **When did Teena and John acquire the Alstonville newsagency?** The interview says they sold it in 2004 after about 25 years, which suggests but does not confirm a start around 1979. See the [2000s timeline](/timeline/2000s) and [interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
+ ## Fran's work and wartime service
+
+ - **Was Fran employed by CSIRO as a ledger keeper, and what was the name of her wartime servicemen's support group?** Teena recalled Fran working at “the CSIRO” and helping returned servicemen through a group she first called the “Friendship Club,” then said that was not its name. Existing records document Fran at COR as a ledger supervisor from 1934 to 1953. Compare the [Fran page](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915) with [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026) and look for the notes Teena mentioned.
+
## See also
- The **Notes & uncertainties** sections on each [decade timeline page](/timeline/1860s) hold the same items in their chronological context.
@@ 50,3 61,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), all sheets.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920.md ..
@@ 26,6 26,10 @@
She married [Dick Whillas](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) at Semaphore on 25 February 1943 (see [the marriage](/events/marriage-richard-whillas-to-catherine-mcleod-1943)). Her first child, [Nan](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939), had been born on Kangaroo Island in May 1939. Over the following two decades she raised 14 children while the family moved through [Angaston](/places/angaston-south-australia), [Bray/Robe](/places/bray-robe-south-australia), [Sth Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria), [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria) and finally [East Fremantle](/places/east-fremantle-western-australia), where she worked at Wigmores.
+ ### Teena's recollections
+
+ Her daughter [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled that during the family's time at Bray, “Mum became a wool classer's cook as well, so she could earn some money.” Teena also remembered Cath teaching her telephone work and Morse code at Invergordon. These recollections are recorded in [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
## Family
- **Parents:** [Norman MacLeod](/people/norman-macleod-b1880) · [Catherine Gunn](/people/catherine-gunn-macleod-b1873)
@@ 36,3 40,4 @@
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1920s*, *1930s*, *1940s*, *1950s* sheets.
- Recollections of Cath as recorded by Pat Taylor; WDHS records (researched by Erika, Aug 2024).
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947.md ..
@@ 1,17 1,35 @@
# Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas (b. 1947)
- Fourth child of [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) and [Cath Whillas](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920).
+ Known as **Teena McLean** after her marriage to John. Fourth child of [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) and [Cath Whillas](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920). Her 2026 oral-history interview records her childhood across South Australia and Victoria, her travels, marriage, and later newsagency business in Alstonville.
## Key facts
- **Born:** 28 Mar 1947, Maylands, [Adelaide](/places/adelaide-south-australia) (birth certificate held; home address 15 Salter St, Kensington)
- **Parents:** [Dick Whillas](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) · [Cath McLeod](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920)
+ - **Husband:** John McLean
+ - **Married:** 28 Sep 1968, Presbyterian Church, [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria) (see [marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968))
+
+ ## High-level life timeline
+
+ - **28 Mar 1947 — born in Maylands, Adelaide.** Teena grew up with her parents and siblings. Her interview's wording for the birth date is unclear; see [open question](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).[^1]
+ - **Early childhood — [Bray/Robe](/places/bray-robe-south-australia).** The family lived in a tent while Dick built their home, and Teena began school in Robe. She recalled: “I was about four and a half ... I started school in Robe.” — [interview with Teena](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - **Childhood — [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria) and Tandarook.** Teena remembered the family moving to Cobden, where she attended [Tandarook South State School](/places/tandarook-south-victoria), and described her father wanting to farm: “Dad wanted to be a farmer.” The formal family history places the dairy farm at [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria); the relationship between these place names and the move dates needs clarification.[^2]
+ - **Adolescence — [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria), near Numurkah.** Her parents ran the local post office/newsagency. Teena learned telephone and counter work from her mother, then travelled to Japan, Hong Kong, and the Philippines at about 17½. She recalled: “I travelled to Japan, Hong Kong and the Philippines.” The ship is transcribed with two different names in the interview.[^3]
+ - **28 Sep 1968 — married John McLean** at the Presbyterian Church in [Shepparton](/places/shepparton-victoria): “We got married in September, 28th of September, 1968. In Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.” — [marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968).
+ - **Later — [Alstonville](/places/alstonville-new-south-wales).** Teena and John ran a newsagency there for about 25 years. She recalled, “I fell in love with Alstonville,” and said, “Until 2004, after 25 years, we sold.” The exact opening year is not established; the interview documents the sale in 2004 and does not date the move precisely. See the [2000s timeline](/timeline/2000s).
+ [^1]: The interview transcript renders the birth phrase as “Marylands in Adelaide, 1928 to the 3rd, 1947.” Teena's birth certificate and the existing family chronology record Maylands and 28 March 1947. Confirm the audio wording; see [open questions](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
+ [^2]: The interview calls the childhood destination “Cobden” and names Tandarook South School, while existing family-history pages describe the dairy farm as South Purrumbete. These may refer to the district and the farm respectively, but the sequence/location is not settled; see [open questions](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
+ [^3]: The trip is described in the transcript as aboard the “Aramek” and elsewhere the “Aramac.” The vessel name needs checking against the audio or other records; see [open questions](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
## Family
- **Parents:** [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) · [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920)
- - **Siblings:** see [Dick's page](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) for all 14
+ - **Husband:** John McLean
+ - **Siblings:** see [Dick's page](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) for all 14; the interview specifically recalls [Robert](/people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944), [Richard](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945), [Andrew](/people/andrew-john-whillas-b1949), and [Janet](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951).
+ - **Aunt:** [Frances Louise "Fran" Whillas](/people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915)
## Sources
+ - Birth certificate (held; details recorded in the Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet, Rev 4).
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1940s* sheet.
people/frances-louise-whillas-b1915.md ..
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- **Husband:** Reg Hall
- **Siblings:** [JH](/people/john-henry-whillas-b1909), [Daisy](/people/daisy-whillas-b1912), [Marjorie](/people/marjorie-whillas-b1912), [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920)
+ ## Recollections by Teena
+
+ Fran's niece [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled that Fran helped returned servicemen through a wartime support group, remembered in the transcript as the “Friendship Club.” Teena also said Fran had worked at “the CSIRO” as a ledger keeper.[^1] These recollections are in [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026); the organization name and employment sequence need checking against Fran's papers.
+
+ [^1]: Existing records document Fran at COR from 1934 to 1953 as a ledger supervisor. Teena's CSIRO recollection may describe another period or may be mistaken; the interview also questions the support group's name. See [open questions](/open-questions#frans-work-and-wartime-service).
+
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1910s*, *1930s*, *1940s* and *1950s* sheets.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920.md ..
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On 9 January 1970 Dick and his son [Norman](/people/norman-vincent-whillas-b1952) were in a single-vehicle semitrailer smash at Hopetoun, Victoria (see [the accident](/events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970)). Dick was severely injured, could no longer do heavy work or drive trucks, and was bankrupted. The family sold the Invergordon Post Office and moved to 27 Malcolm Street, [East Fremantle](/places/east-fremantle-western-australia), Perth, where Dick worked mowing lawns for the local council. He died on 2 August 1980.
+ ### Teena's recollections
+
+ Dick's daughter [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) remembered that “he always wanted to be a farmer,” despite his father's insistence that he become a bookkeeper. Her interview also recalls Dick building the family's house at Bray and taking up wool classing. See [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
## Children (14)
With [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920):
@@ 67,3 71,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1900s*, *1920s*, *1930s*, *1940s*, *1950s* and *1970s* sheets.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
people/robert-alexander-whillas-b1944.md ..
@@ 11,6 11,8 @@
Robert started school in Glenelg in February 1949. Much of the documented family research — including the Australian Archives lighthouse log extracts (faxed to him 19 Mar 1997) — is associated with Robert's genealogical database.
+ His sister [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled a childhood incident in which “Robert chucked me on the old grey mare and slapped it on the rump.” The horse ran off and became stuck at a road grate; see [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
## Family
- **Parents:** [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) · [Cath](/people/catherine-mcleod-whillas-b1920)
@@ 19,3 21,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1940s* sheet.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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+ # Alstonville, New South Wales
+
+ Town in the Northern Rivers region where [Teena Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and John settled and ran a newsagency.
+
+ ## Connection to the family
+
+ - Teena recalled that she “fell in love with Alstonville” and that she and John ran their newsagency there for about 25 years, selling it in 2004. See the [2000s timeline](/timeline/2000s) and [interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - The interview does not give a precise date for their move to Alstonville or the start of the business.
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
places/bray-robe-south-australia.md ..
@@ 6,9 6,11 @@
- D & C, together with [Norman McLeod](/people/norman-macleod-b1880), leased Crown Land at Bray on 4 Sep 1952 (sold the lease 6 Jul 1954).
- The family lived in a tent on "a square mile of virgin country" while [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) built a house, working as a wool classer and grazier and growing strawberry clover for seed. The children attended school in Robe and by correspondence; [Nan](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939) went to [Millicent](/places/millicent-south-australia) HS. [Norman McLeod](/people/norman-macleod-b1880) lived with them for much of this time.
+ - [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled starting school in Robe and her mother working as a wool classer's cook while Dick built the house. See [her interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
- [Janet Barbara Whillas](/people/janet-barbara-whillas-b1951) was born (Murray Bridge, 1951) while the family's home address was Robe.
- Because of high Korean-War wool prices and schooling difficulties, the family left for the [Sth Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) dairy farm.
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1950s* sheet.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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+ # Cobden, Victoria
+
+ Town in south-western Victoria associated with [Teena Whillas's](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) childhood recollections of her family's dairy farming and schooling.
+
+ ## Connection to the family
+
+ - Teena recalled, “we went and we bought land in Cobden,” and described attending Tandarook South State School. The family's existing chronology identifies its dairy farm as [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria); whether “Cobden” describes the wider district or a separate move remains unresolved.[^1]
+ - See [Tandarook South](/places/tandarook-south-victoria), [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026), and the relevant [open question](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
+
+ [^1]: The interview does not date the move precisely. The existing family-history source places the South Purrumbete farm around 1954.
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1950s* sheet.
places/invergordon-victoria.md ..
@@ 5,6 5,7 @@
## Connection to the family
- The family moved here c. late 1959/early 1960 from [Sth Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria), seeking a drier, warmer climate, and ran the **Invergordon Post Office**.
+ - [Teena Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled her mother teaching her telephone and counter work here; the interview describes the family post office as also serving as a newsagency. See [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
- [Greg Stephen Whillas](/people/greg-stephen-whillas-b1960), the youngest child, was born at nearby Numurkah on 1 Nov 1960.
- After the [Hopetoun truck accident](/events/hopetoun-truck-accident-1970) in 1970 and [Dick's](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) resulting bankruptcy, the Post Office was sold and the family moved to [East Fremantle](/places/east-fremantle-western-australia).
@@ 13,3 14,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1950s*, *1960s* and *1970s* sheets.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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+ # Shepparton, Victoria
+
+ Regional city in northern Victoria, where [Teena Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and John married in 1968.
+
+ ## Connection to the family
+
+ - Teena recalled marrying John on 28 September 1968 at the Presbyterian Church in Shepparton: “In Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.” See the [marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968) and [interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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@@ 5,10 5,12 @@
## Connection to the family
- c. 1954, D & C bought a dairy farm here in shares with neighbour Vin Witwer (from [Bray](/places/bray-robe-south-australia)); about 125 cows. Volcanic soil, productive but cold and wet. [Dick](/people/richard-charles-whillas-b1920) caught pneumonia here (and possibly recurring malaria).
- - The children attended the local Tandarook PS (one teacher, ~20 kids) and bussed daily to [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) HS. [Nan](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939) met John Walsh on the bus.
+ - The children attended the local [Tandarook South School](/places/tandarook-south-victoria) (one teacher, ~20 kids) and bussed daily to [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) HS. [Nan](/people/catherine-normandy-whillas-b1939) met John Walsh on the bus.
+ - [Teena](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) recalled the family moving to “Cobden” and attending Tandarook South School. The relation between that description and the South Purrumbete farm is unresolved; see the [open question](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions) and [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
- Several children were born nearby at Camperdown in this period ([Jim](/people/stuart-james-whillas-b1954), [Mark](/people/mark-campbell-whillas-b1955), [Fiona](/people/fiona-victoria-whillas-b1956), [Susan](/people/susan-catrina-whillas-b1958), [Craig](/people/craig-douglas-whillas-b1959)).
- The family left c. late 1959/early 1960 for a drier climate at [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria).
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1950s* sheet.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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+ # Tandarook South, Victoria
+
+ Locality associated with the Tandarook South State School attended by [Teena Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and other children of Dick and Cath Whillas.
+
+ ## Connection to the family
+
+ - Teena recalled walking to Tandarook South State School after the family moved to the Cobden area. She described a small one-teacher school and remembered teacher John Cootie. See [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026) and the [open question about the family's residence chronology](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
+ - The existing family history also records Tandarook Primary School in connection with the [South Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) dairy farm.
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+ - Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1950s* sheet.
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@@ 23,7 23,8 @@
## Notes & uncertainties
- Around 1949–50 the family left Angaston on a camping trip (Morris Oxford + trailer) up the east coast, ending at [Bray/Brae](/places/bray-robe-south-australia) on a square mile of virgin country. They lived in a tent while Dick built the house; he worked as a wool classer and grew strawberry clover for seed. The children attended school in Robe and by correspondence; Nan went to Millicent HS. Norman lived with them for much of this time.
- - Because of high wool prices (Korean War) Dick couldn't afford to stock Bray with sheep, and schooling was difficult, so D & C bought a dairy farm at [Sth Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) in shares with neighbour Vin Witwer (~125 cows). The children attended Tandarook PS and bussed to [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) HS. Nan met John Walsh on the bus. The family left c. late 1959/early 1960 for a drier, warmer climate — [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria) Post Office near Numurkah.
+ - Because of high wool prices (Korean War) Dick couldn't afford to stock Bray with sheep, and schooling was difficult, so D & C bought a dairy farm at [Sth Purrumbete](/places/south-purrumbete-victoria) in shares with neighbour Vin Witwer (~125 cows). The children attended [Tandarook South School](/places/tandarook-south-victoria) and bussed to [Camperdown](/places/camperdown-victoria) HS. Nan met John Walsh on the bus. The family left c. late 1959/early 1960 for a drier, warmer climate — [Invergordon](/places/invergordon-victoria) Post Office near Numurkah.
+ - [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026) recalls the childhood move as to [Cobden](/places/cobden-victoria); whether this is the wider district or a separate move is an [open question](/open-questions#teena-birth-residence-and-chronology-questions).
## Related pages
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@@ 6,6 6,7 @@
- **1 Nov 1960** — [Greg Stephen Whillas](/people/greg-stephen-whillas-b1960) born, Numurkah — the youngest of Dick and Cath's 14 children.
- **Aug 1968** — [Ian Whillas](/people/ian-whillas) (JH's son) completes the Junior Observer Course with the Bureau of Meteorology; he stays with the BoM for his working life.
+ - **28 Sep 1968** — [Christine Frances "Teena" Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) marries John McLean at the Presbyterian Church in Shepparton (see [marriage event](/events/marriage-teena-whillas-to-john-mclean-1968)). Teena later recalled, “We got married ... in Shepparton, the Presbyterian Church.”
- **Nov 1968** — [Richard (Johnstone) Whillas](/people/richard-johnstone-whillas-b1945) completes a B.Eng degree at the University of Melbourne.
- **Jan 1969** — Richard and Irine move to Sydney; Richard commences work at the Commonwealth Department of Works.
- **Mar 1969** — Richard commences a part-time M.Eng.Sci degree at UNSW.
@@ 22,3 23,4 @@
## Sources
- Whillas–McLeod family history spreadsheet (Rev 4), *1960s* sheet.
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
timeline/1970s.md ..
@@ 15,7 15,7 @@
## Related pages
- - [1960s](/timeline/1960s)
+ - [1960s](/timeline/1960s) · [2000s](/timeline/2000s)
## Sources
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+ # Timeline: 2000s
+
+ ## Events
+
+ - **2004** — [Teena Whillas](/people/christine-frances-whillas-b1947) and John sell their [Alstonville](/places/alstonville-new-south-wales) newsagency after about 25 years. Teena recalled, “Until 2004, after 25 years, we sold.” The interview does not establish the exact opening date.
+
+ ## Notes & uncertainties
+
+ - The business's opening date is not given; “about 25 years” suggests an approximate start around 1979 but should not be treated as a confirmed date. See [Teena's interview](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
+
+ ## Related pages
+
+ - [1970s](/timeline/1970s)
+
+ ## Sources
+
+ - [Interview with Teena McLean, interviewed by Erika Whillas, 16 Aug 2026](/documents/interview-teena-mclean-2026).
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